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Bill Starr 5x5 Linear Version For Intermediate Lifters

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This highly effective strength and muscle building 5x5 workout by Bill Starr illustrates the importance of making systematic progression to drive gains.

Workout Summary

Main Goal:
Increase Strength
Workout Type:
Full Body
Training Level:
Intermediate
Days Per Week:
3
Equipment Required:
Barbell, Bodyweight
Target Gender:
Male & Female
Author:

Workout Description

Introduction

Relatively easy program to understand.  It nicely illustrates the importance of making systematic progression to drive gains and increase the core lifts.  I highly suggest people read the Training Primer I've prepared as you will understand all of training so much better afterward.

History

One of the many flavors of Bill Starr's 5x5 workouts.  This particular one is designed with the intermediate lifter in mind and is from the Deep Squatter site on this page.  Deep Squatter is a great site so make sure you check it out along with all the great info located in the archives.  Someone who has experience with the lifts and some decent training history should do quite well.  It's important to keep in mind that this program is a snapshot, training changes with time, you don't do it forever, to get a better idea on how training changes over time I'd encourage people to read this interview from Glenn Pendlay and Mark Rippetoe on programming.

Usage

This program is based on weekly linear progress.  You take your current 5 rep maxes (5RM) and work up to them systematically by increasing weights in steady increments over 3-4 weeks.  You then hit your current 5RM on lifts and continue these incremental increases week to week which pushes you further and further out making new personal records (PRs) every week until you stall on the majority of your lifts.  If you miss reps, keep the weight constant the next week and don't move it up until you get all 5x5.  When you eventually stall on the majority of lifts, and you will, meaning something like several weeks of no progress in that you can't add reps or weight, you'll have to reset lower back several weeks and begin again.  If it's just one lift that has you stuck, reset on that and work up again but don't restart the whole program.  When restarting the whole program, a lot of times changing variables is also helpful here.  I'm not going to cover that.  Training is a blend of art and science, and knowing what parameters to change for a given lifter is more art.  This is a cookie-cutter, it's meant to get you big and strong, and more importantly training correctly.  The best programs are always tailored to a given trainee so being your own coach, you have to learn and seek out knowledge (generally not in bodybuilding sources as a rule and this will seldom do you wrong).

Rep speed is natural, time between sets is what you need.  Don't rapid fire compound lifts but don't be lazy.  2-5 minutes is probably right with 5 minutes being needed after a very taxing effort.

Core Description

CAUTION - READ THIS: if you are going to devote hours and hours over weeks and weeks to a program, please take 10-15 minutes to actually read this page and understand it.  That's a retarded method of saving time.  Also, you will find it hugely useful to read the Training Primer I put together.  You will understand so much more about training in general if you read it.  Honestly, save yourself years of learning and spend 10-15 minutes reading that page.  Hell just print it out and leave it in the bathroom.  Within a couple days, you'll have it finished and you will be so much further ahead than so many others.  Also, please make sure to read the Possible Issues section below - don't be a nimrod.

Before beginning it is useful to know your 1 rep maxes or more ideally your real 5 rep max in each lift (there is a table and calculator in the TOC).  If you don't know this - it might be useful to test your lifts first or start light and allow for some flexibility in the weekly planning.  The whole key is the weekly progression and keeping workload low enough to not overwhelm someone with fatigue and enable them to get out in front and set records for as many weeks as possible.  Said a different way, the stimulus is not getting under the bar once with heavy weight but getting under it frequently and systematically increasing week to week starting within your limits and slowly expanding.

Bill Starr 5x5 Linear Version For Intermediate Lifters
Monday
Exercise Sets x Reps Details
Squat 5x5 Ramping weight to top set of 5 (which should equal the previous Friday's heavy triple)
Bench Press 5x5 Ramping weight to top set of 5 (which should equal the previous Friday's heavy triple)
Barbell Row 5x5 Ramping weight to top set of 5 (which should equal the previous Friday's heavy triple)
Assistance: 2 sets of weighted hypers and 4 sets of weighted sit-ups.
Wednesday
Exercise Sets x Reps Details
Squat 4x5 First 3 sets are the same as Monday, the 4th set is repeating the 3rd set again
Incline Press or Military Press 4x5 Ramping weight to top set of 5
Deadlift 4x5 Ramping weight to top set of 5
Assistance: 3 sets of sit-ups.
Friday
Exercise Sets x Reps Details
Squat 4x5, 1x3, 1x8 First 4 sets are the same as Monday's, the triple is 2.5% above your Monday top set of 5, use the weight from the 3rd set for a final set of 8
Bench Press 4x5, 1x3, 1x8 First 4 sets are the same as Monday's, the triple is 2.5% above your Monday top set of 5, use the weight from the 3rd set for a final set of 8
Barbell Row 4x5, 1x3, 1x8 First 4 sets are the same as Monday's, the triple is 2.5% above your Monday top set of 5, use the weight from the 3rd set for a final set of 8
Assistance: 3 sets of weighted dips (5-8 reps), 3 sets of barbell curls and 3 sets of triceps extensions (8 reps).

The Progression

So it's pretty obvious what's going on in this example is weekly increases of 2.5% of your top set of 5 on Monday.  So you do 100lbs for 5 on your top set on Monday.  Then on Friday you do a triple with 2.5% more, or 102.5.  The next Monday you come back and do 102.5 for your heavy set of 5, that Friday the triple is 105 and so on.  For the non-squat Wednesday lifts you just increase by the percentage week to week.

Of course you start with a good margin to give yourself a run so you have to back into the initial weeks' weights.  That means using some math.  Put your current 5 rep maxes at week 4, figure out what 2.5% of the number is and go back and put that for week 3, do that back until you get to week 1.  The Friday triple is always the next week's Monday set of 5.  Pretty easy.*

Some people seem to think this is very slow progress (and maybe it is for a true beginner) but for most lifters this 2.5% weekly is fairly aggressive scaling.  Think about building up for 4 weeks and then 2.5% compounded weekly on your personal records after that.  If you can even get 4 weeks of PRs, that's over 10% on your lifts in just 8 weeks (there are people who would kill for this and many are lucky to manage 1-2% over that same time frame).  People who can keep it up for anywhere near 12 weeks (8 weeks of PRs) are looking at 20%+ on their lifts.  Even if one can't get long progression, this is still a good way to go for even a few increments as long as a lifter can make progress like this (and eventually they won't be able to and will have to do something a bit different that looks more like the Advanced version.

Bill Starr 5x5 Linear Version For Intermediate Lifters
Progresion
Program Week Lift For 5 Reps % Increase Over Current PR
4 200 0.00 %
5 205 2.50 %
6 210 5.06 %
7 215 7.69 %
8 221 10.38 %
9 226 13.14 %
10 232 15.97 %
11 238 18.87 %
12 244 21.84 %
13 250 24.89 %
14 256 28.01 %
15 262 31.21 %

Although given the chart and what I've said elsewhere on this page it should be obvious, I will clarify the point that this is not a 9 week program (I think some people have downloaded only the spreadsheet rather than reading since I figured 9 weeks of calculations was enough to get the idea - not much I can do about that).  You continue until it stops working.  If you are adding 2.5% a week to your big lifts and eating enough to move the scale consistently, there is nothing else you can do from a program perspective to encourage muscular weight gain.  Ride the horse and if lifts gives you trouble, either cut some warm up volume or reset it back a few weeks.  When the majority of the lifts are stalling, reset the whole program and build back up to PRs over 4 weeks.  Maybe change some variables (i.e. use 3x10) and/or some assistance lifts (front squat on Wed, lockouts instead of overhead).

Impact of Weight Gain/Loss and Experience Level

I will also note that weight gain can be considered a tail wind to the progression.  Meaning, you will have an easier time getting stronger and making a longer progression if you are eating enough to drive bodyweight upward during the program (i.e. also known as bulking or trying to add muscle, see caloric excess).  This does not however mean that you should start heavier simply because you are planning to gain weight.  The effect is typically not that strong and this is the best way to blow this program up - always better to take more time than less. Another tailwind would be experience level, someone much closer to their ultimate potential is going to run out of steam and have to settle for shorter progressions than someone with 6 months of training under their belt.

A headwind would be dieting or cutting.  If you are really making an effort to lose weight and using this program you might want to start significantly lighter or make smaller jumps week to week (i.e. take 6 weeks to reach your current 5RM rather than 4 weeks).  Basically the same 200lbs 5 rep max squat at a bodyweight of 200 is a stronger lift at a lighter bodyweight.  So if you are dropping bodyweight, you probably want think about starting lower because your 5RM estimates won't be accurate as your bodyweight changes and to get a reasonable shot at progression you don't want to be starting too high (that said, the less experienced the lifter they might have enough tailwind from their junior amount of experience to override a fair degree of headwind from bodyweight dropping).

Ramping Weights

This is basically increasing your weight set to set like warming up.  If your top set of 5 is 315, you might go 135, 185, 225, 275, and then 315 all for 5 reps.  There are several reasons for this, you are warming up, getting a lot of practice and really groove the coordination of the lifts, and contributing to workload without raising it so high that fatigue overcomes you and you overtrain.  If you do 315 for all 5 sets, workload is a lot higher and doing that a couple of times a week ensures that you won't last long on this program.

Typically jumps can be somewhere between 10-15% per set based on your top set (or 12.5% and round up or down).  An easy way to figure this is to find out what 10% and 15% are for your top set and then track backwards into the other sets using the variance to round or help it make sense.

Example:

Your top set is 100lbs.

10% is 10lbs and 15% is 15lbs.

Your 5th set is 100x5, 4th is 90x5, 3rd is 80x5, 2nd is 70x5, and 1st is 60x5.

These are the minimum jumps of 10%, the math doesn't always look this neat but using 12.5% isn't as intuitively easy to see for explaining this.

Make sure this makes sense and you aren't so strong as to make the jumps ridiculous at 10-15%.  But keep in mind, going 200, 205, 210, 215, and 220 is a lot closer to 220 for 5x5 and that's too much on this kind of frequency, it will fatigue you a lot faster (i.e. prevent you from progressing) and hurt your ability to get as much as possible with your top set.

*Note: for the math inclined you probably realized that when moving up in weight you are taking 2.5% of the current weight but when I have you set up the initial weeks moving backward you are taking 2.5% off the forward week which is a slightly larger number than moving in the other direction.  So if you want to really be exact, you can work it out the other way but the math is harder.

Possible Issues

If people get stuck early it's because they start too high.  There is no negative to starting a bit more conservatively (just potential time spent acclimating at worst).  On the other side, starting too aggressively can kill the whole program.  You decide on whether you want to potentially risk a tad of time in the worst case scenario or waste all your time and blow it up getting zero results.

Particularly if people have issues with a lift the bench is where people get caught.  A lot of guys have been training the bench hard forever.  Probably high frequency and generally maxing it or using lower reps than their other lifts.  Well, you want to push one lift hard and not bother much with others - you wind up with an asymmetry in your ability to adapt.  You have to pay the price for not pushing as hard on your squat, deads, rows, and overhead regardless of the program and that's just how it is.  This is compounded by not having plates lighter than 2.5lbs (so 5lbs jumps), which is often too much for people with the rounding and lifts that just aren't all that strong (look at the Microloading page).  Also people put their true, best case 5RM with limited warm-up out at week 4.  Most people won't have a problem but really, at week 4 you are expected to do the 5RM and do about 20 reps at varying weights beforehand.  This makes week 4 a personal record in reality.  Essentially, being more conservative with the bench is better especially if you are one of those die hard bench press worshippers.

In regards to the squatting or frequency, if you haven't squatted at all, or don't squat full range or haven't done much before it can be an issue particularly if you have enough training to move some weight.  Most people haven't had a problem but particular to the squats a few people have wound up with overuse issues.  It's not that people can't squat 3x per week - anyone can.  It's a matter of conditioning someone to be able to do it at the volume and intensities that this program calls for and acclimating to it immediately.  Just like walking 2 miles a day, anyone can do it but if you sit on the couch and your movement is limited to 100 yards per day to get the mail and feed yourself - well it might take some time to build up.  Most importantly, if you start to get these issues (and not muscle soreness) but a chronic aching and soreness in the joints/tendons/muscles etc...you need to back off and not keep pushing.  That doesn't mean you get a little sore in week 1 and quit, this will take a few weeks but once this type of thing shows up don't just keep pushing.  A coach would have you back off or likely not start you here, you don't have a coach so you have to use your brain.  It just might take 4-5 weeks to build up and get things in shape to be able to begin this program.  That's okay but if you keep pushing and wind up with serious tendonitis it can take a while to resolve itself.  Not worth it.  This was covered on the Table of Contents Intro Page under the second topic but obviously people don't read everything so it's here too (and I assume some won't bother reading this either but you reap what you sow).  Like I said before, in general it isn't an issue but a program is just a 'point in time' example, some people might be ready for that point, some won't.  I tried to set this up where it should be okay for just about everyone, that doesn't mean than a few people may not have an issue with the parameters.

Other Pertinent Information

The Lifts

Squats - these should be full range Olympic style squats. Use the full range of your body - that means as low as you can go which for almost everyone is past parallel. If the top of your thighs aren't at least parallel it's for shit. If you think this is bad for your knees going low, you and whoever told you that are relying on an old wives tale. Anyone who knows the human body will tell you that below parallel is MUCH safer on the knees whereas parallel and above put all the sheer right on them and doesn’t allow proper transfer of the load to the rest of your body (this is how your body was designed). Read the Squat article from Arioch linked in the TOC for a complete description and references on the mechanics of the squat and depth.

Deads - each rep is deweighted fully on the floor. No touch and go. This is called the 'dead'lift because the weight is 'dead' on the ground. You can touch and go warm ups but that's it.

Military - standing overhead presses. Supporting weight overhead is a fundamental exercise and stimulates the whole body.   Push presses are a fine substitute.

Rows - 90 degrees and done dynamically (Accelerate the weight into your body - do not jerk it but constantly increase the pace like an oar through water).  There is a TOC topic on rows, a good read that also illustrates a version done from the floor.

Common Sense - you should know how to do the lifts before starting a program like this.  Start light and learn.  Don't include brand new compound lifts that have you training near your limit without some time in.  This is how you get hurt.  Compound lifts load the entire body and are very effective.  If you have a weak link, they will bring it up - of course if you haven't trained the lift long enough for this to happen your weak link may get you hurt.  Use your brain.

The rest is self explanatory.

Time Between Sets

Don't over think this.  Use a natural rep speed, take what you need between sets.  Don't be lazy but don't rush.  You can't be doing rapid fire sets of big compound lifts.  Maybe on the lightest warm-ups you take a minute but most sets will be 2-5 minute range with 2 being between fairly easy sets and 5 being after a heavy set in preparation for another very serious major effort that drains you.  I can see exceeding the 5 minute limit by a tad when really pushing near failure in the PR weeks when you are uncertain of getting your reps on your last set.  Just use your brain and don't micromanage.

Diet

Depends on whether you are trying to gain muscle or what.  I will say that for gaining muscle, caloric excess must be present.  Read the caloric excess topic in the table of contents.  More people, particularly bodybuilders, go wrong here.  If caloric excess is present and training stinks, you will get fatter.  The few guys who have come back with no weight gain got very strong and gained no net weight - guess what - they were already fairly lean (i.e. no excess in their diet otherwise they'd have been fatter) and they didn't gain fat or muscle (no caloric excess during training).  There's nothing any program can do if you won't eat.  For the purposes of gaining muscle or getting big and strong it's better to eat McDonalds and KFC all day long than not eat enough Zen clean ultra pure food which might be healthier but if not enough there's simply nothing to use to grow.  So caloric excess is a requirement, you don't need to eat like a slob but it will work infinitely better than not eating enough healthy food for this purpose.  Lots of people have gotten big and strong on diets that were bad, if you choose to eat squeaky clean, kudos to you but it is not critical to putting on muscle (it might be critical to a long high quality life though).

Incorporating the Olympic Lifts

The above is basically setup for someone who doesn't know the OLs. Starr's original workout included Power Cleans and High Pulls. Instead of Bent Rows substitute Power Cleans. Rather than Deads substitute High Pulls.  That’s a quick and dirty way of handling this without much disruption.

Substituting Exercises

Don't f*ck with this. Every bodybuilder seems to have Attention Deficit Disorder and an overwhelming desire to customize everything. The bottom line is that these are all the most effective exercises and just about anything one does will result in less gains. As a rule those people who want to change it don't know enough to make proper alterations - those who do know enough, don't have much to change. The guy who is responsible for this program is of the best on the planet at bulking lifters and making people stronger. It's kind of like Sesame Street's Elmo offering neurosurgery advice at NYU. Anyway, it's absolutely essential not to screw with the squats, they are the foundation of this program. If you want to sub inclines or push presses for military that's okay. Do not sub machines - don't even think about it, hit yourself with a plate if you must.

For arms choose a single biceps and triceps exercise and perform them at the end once per week for 3 sets of whatever - your arms will take a beating from all the pulling and pressing anyway. If you want to chin on Wednesday or do a few sets of pulldowns/ups that's fine (avoid the machines if you can use bodyweight). Core work is always fine. Cardio is fine - interval training is the best for this I'll just throw out. If this is just too much mental strain, take solace in the fact that it's just a few weeks, you'll gain a ton of muscle and strength and then you can spend the next 4 weeks adding the minute detail to refine the gained mass (like most care anyway - I have yet to meet a guy on this board who will trade 20lbs of muscle for a bit of added detail somewhere). In a nutshell, put your trust in some of the better coaches on the planet and enjoy the results.

New or Beginner Lifters

This is not a beginner program.  You will make faster progress with less workload on a true beginner program.  I really recommend Rippetoe's Starting Strength for beginners or novices.  It's so critical to learn the lifts correctly and get started on a good program (i.e. not what one typically finds on bodybuilding sites).  Rippetoe is the man at coaching beginners and putting muscle on them with 30-40lbs in 4-6 months being quite normal.  The book will handle teaching you all the lifts.  It's written for coaches and no, given what I see in commercial gyms, the internet and Joe Schmoe at your local gym are not capable of instructing you properly - they will screw you up and make you look like a moron or possibly get you hurt. On top of that the book covers everything to get you set up on a program that is time proven as one of if not the best beginner programs available.

Advanced Lifters

After a while, linear progress doesn't work so well.  You want to do this for as long as you can.  And I mean, resetting and running at your records, changing some exercises, rep ranges, whatever, just keep trying to get some linear progress as you want to milk this kind of progression for all it's worth.  After a while it will become pretty obvious this doesn't work for you any more.  Welcome to periodization.

Sample Template

This is a downloadable Microsoft Excel file that calculates your relevant lifts and plots out what this program might look like over a number of weeks.  It makes a lot of assumptions that might not be right or near optimal for any given lifter.  I've tried to make it applicable to an experienced trainee familiar with the lifts.  Understand that this is just a reference for what it might look like as some people do a lot better with an example - you don't need or necessarily want to adhere to this.

You will obviously need Microsoft Excel or a compatible spreadsheet program to make use of this file.  If you don't have the full version I think you can download Excel Viewer from Microsoft for free, just run a web search and you should find it quickly enough.  You might also find the Microloading article a worthwhile read if you are working with percents or incremental increases.

Download File - Current Version 0.3

Change Log

08-15-2006

  • Added Training Primer link in the Introduction. 
  • Added Possible Issues section.
  • Added "Caution" verbiage and info to the Core Description Section (yes I realize it won't help everyone but you have to try)

05-14-2006 

  • Since a lot of people seem to be interested in cutting over the summer I added some information on the impact of weight gain/loss into the description.

03-19-2006

  • Added some links to new diet writeup.
  • Added link to Excel Viewer
  • Added link to Microloading page
  • New Version of Program Template v0.3, changed some links and added info about program length
  • Added Comparison link in title navigation bar for 5x5 Programs

12-26-2005

  • Fixed the chart again, apparently Excel is more free than I though with text and extrapolating a series.  Now everything should reflect the backoff sets on Friday being 8 reps for all lifts.
  • Download link now works and updated details on the file which is archived with Winrar.

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rsmgglen
Posted Thu, 02/17/2011 - 22:16

Appreciate the article. Bill Starr has always been one of my favorite writers, and the writer of this article has done a great job worthy of Starr. Really a fantastic post.

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zach
Posted Thu, 02/24/2011 - 16:33

I have some confusion my 5 rep max for squat is 225. So for the first 4 weeks do I do 225 for 5 reps on my last set or do I work up to that and by week 5 do 225 for my last 5 reps?

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scott
Posted Sun, 03/13/2011 - 19:08

download the template at the end of the article seems to explain the progreesion

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Karl lane
Posted Mon, 05/02/2011 - 17:35

Zach,

I would tell you to work up to the 225, but on the sets working up to that weight really let the negative portion of the lift take it's toll. Try taking a 3-5 count to get to the bottom of the lift and then drive back up. This will still work your legs great. I have been adding 2.5 pounds to my first set each week. This has really helped me as well as adding the 2.5 to the heavy set of 3. Hope this helps man. Keep up the good work man.

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Edwin Manyanga
Posted Thu, 03/03/2011 - 05:03

yah! am tanzaniania and i want to be a body builder i realy like bi want help also to be part from tanzania on your organization to link with people or bodybuilder in tanzania

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dylan
Posted Wed, 03/09/2011 - 09:46

so on friday you do six set for all three major excersises? just wondering, thanks

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dylan
Posted Fri, 03/11/2011 - 09:46

hey im kinda confused about friday, so the one set of eight what weight do i use? just wonderin anyways looking forward to doing this program, thanks,
dylan,

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yusuf
Posted Wed, 04/06/2011 - 22:57

How would you change tonnage and set interval as you progress if at all?

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Will
Posted Sat, 04/16/2011 - 06:43

can you sub the flat bench press for incline bench press on the monday and friday?

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Will
Posted Mon, 04/18/2011 - 01:35

can you sub the flat bench press for incline bench?

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joe
Posted Thu, 05/05/2011 - 15:41

Is there a way to throw in some cardio into this?

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john wade
Posted Tue, 06/28/2011 - 16:59

dead lifts and squats are dangerous especially with heavy weights-
if you ever popped a disk while doing these dumb exercises you know your pretty much out of working out for the rest of your life. A little more focus on what your trying to achieve by lifting weights
should be considered and body type should also be considered when your working out.

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Elijah
Posted Sat, 12/31/2011 - 10:18

yes i do agree with your comment the big problem most new or even old weight lifters is ego slow to moderate gains are always best what is important is proper form and full range of movement and this is achived by practise and commom sence i have seen many people in the gyms pope disk with light weights simple because their form was wrong understanding ones body is the best way of safety but this does not mean that one should not push themselves.

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Danvy Mautama
Posted Fri, 07/08/2011 - 17:23

im new to body and strenght building so im guessin this be the right site to come to judging by the article above by bill star ,, any tips would be helpful from anyone whose got more experience ,,

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john
Posted Sun, 07/10/2011 - 17:20

I love this workout! Thanks for helping me break my PRs!

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Michael
Posted Sun, 07/17/2011 - 00:07

I was wondering. This program looks great but it doesn't really actively work on the biceps. Could I incorporate 1 intense workout for the biceps every week or would that nullify the whole point of the linear system? Also, I want to do a lot of work on my chest. Could that be incorporated or should that wait until I'm done with this program?

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Scott
Posted Sat, 05/24/2014 - 05:11

I know what you mean. I've found that I can't do squats and deadlifts on the same day and still get good results. So I dropped the Wednesday squats entirely and added a ramped 5x5 bicep curls.

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Eric
Posted Mon, 08/01/2011 - 21:47

Can you use the smith machine? I usually work out alone and this helps me alot.

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Steve
Posted Wed, 08/03/2011 - 15:08

Hi Eric,

This is a strength building workout. Barbells only.

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Ben
Posted Tue, 08/16/2011 - 14:59

For the lifts that you only do once a week (deads/military) do you ramp those up by 2.5% each week as well?

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Steve
Posted Wed, 08/17/2011 - 14:23

I would try, yes.

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dan
Posted Sun, 09/11/2011 - 10:09

is there anyway of calculating what weight you would start on in week one to build up to your 5RM by week four? and also do your work out your 5RM from your 1RM or actually perform your 5RM?

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Steve
Posted Fri, 09/30/2011 - 11:21

Hi Dan,

I personally would start at about 80% of your current 5RM and allow several weeks for your body to adapt to this training style. To figure our an approx. 5RM you can use this:

https://www.muscleandstrength.com/tools/bench-press-calculator.html

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Malik
Posted Sat, 09/17/2011 - 23:27

Can i replace the wednesday squats with leg press.

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Steve
Posted Fri, 09/30/2011 - 11:23

Absolutely not. Squats are a cornerstone of strength building.

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Ruza
Posted Wed, 09/21/2011 - 22:35

Does anyone have advice/experience on how to make this work best on a 2-day-a-week schedule? Just follow the Monday and Friday routine? Thanks!

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Chris
Posted Tue, 10/04/2011 - 21:15

I am thinking of starting the Power, Muscle, Burn 5 Day Split by Steve Shaw.
http://www.muscleandstrength.com/workouts/power-muscle-burn-5-day-powerb...

Would I be able to do this 5x5 workout before the Split? Or do I need to pick one over the other?

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Steve
Posted Wed, 10/05/2011 - 15:52

What are your goals?

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Chris
Posted Fri, 11/11/2011 - 05:27

I want to get stronger for boot camp. I have a pretty good cardio routine from my recruiter but no weight lifting plan. I am 5'8 weigh 120lbs. My recruiter suggested I gain more weight/muscle to make it through boot camp.

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Steve
Posted Mon, 11/28/2011 - 14:32
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jonathan
Posted Mon, 10/24/2011 - 23:46

Hello, I'm 21 years old. I play rugby and I'm looking to put on as much weight as I can whilst getting stronger. I started this program 7 weeks ago and I went from 165 lbs to 174 eating about 4,000 cal/day.

My problem is this:

I started out with light weight to lock in the grooves of the core lifts, I stared on the 3rd week progressing weight... week 5 I felt like I might have been going too heavy on bench so I backed off on some weight. I have pretty weak legs, I feel like I could do as much weight with my bench as my squats.. do you think I should stop progression on my bench until I progress with my legs? Or should I be doing less weight on my bench? Im just affraid of benching more than I can squat, seems backwards. are some people just naturally stronger upper body than lower?

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Steve
Posted Tue, 10/25/2011 - 16:01

Never stop progression. Your squat issues could be with form, etc. I would recommend taking a video of your squat form and posting it on the forum.

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Jonathan
Posted Wed, 11/02/2011 - 16:44

Just wondering what I should do. I've been on this for about 8 weeks and now I've started rugby practice. We do conditioning tuesdays and thursdays with things like wheel barrel pushups, squat jumps.. sprints, frog jumps...bear crawls, wrestling, etc.. Im pretty tired after training im wondering if this will cause me to overtrain if Im still using the 5x5 program...

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Steve
Posted Fri, 11/04/2011 - 16:25

My best advice is to eat big and get plenty of sleep. It's hard to overtrain.

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sam
Posted Fri, 11/04/2011 - 03:40

On the excel spreadsheet on Wednesday it has incline press instead of military press. Do we just sub military press into that spot and change the weight at the top and follow what it says?

Thanks in advance.

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Darrell
Posted Sun, 11/06/2011 - 23:25

Hey there. Just wondering if I should ever be doing 5 sets of 5 @ my 5rep max? Or should Stick with the pyramid style warm up... It just feels like I waste my first 2 sets going too light.

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Steve
Posted Fri, 11/25/2011 - 10:28

Stick to the program as designed.

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Ben
Posted Thu, 11/17/2011 - 01:51

Hey is it alright to take a day off. I've been going at this program for 9 weeks and Im going to miss a workout friday need some advice on what to do.

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Steve
Posted Fri, 11/25/2011 - 10:34

Start over on Monday where you left off.

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Daniel
Posted Tue, 11/22/2011 - 17:51

Hi Guys, if I am trying to lose about 10 pounds from my midsection, is it ok to do 1/2 hour circuit training with light weights and 25 reps & no rest in between sets everyday for a couple of weeks, or will my muscles not have enough time to recover?
P.S. Thanks for all of your GREAT tips and TIME.

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Steve
Posted Fri, 11/25/2011 - 10:37

Hi Daniel,

Weight loss will primarily come from diet. Instead of adding in extra work I would focus on dialing in your diet.

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Tom
Posted Tue, 12/20/2011 - 12:06

Hi,do you increase every set every week. e.g week one bench would be 15lbs,20,23,25,27 and start of week to would be 17lbs,22,26,28,30.

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Steve
Posted Thu, 12/22/2011 - 11:30

Each Friday you ramp to a triple that is 2.5% above Monday's 5 rep set.

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Glenn Jones
Posted Wed, 01/04/2012 - 04:52

Hi all,
I'm just about to start this program. Currently weighing in at 209lbs @ 6ft 2"... I have used the 5x5's style program before and got good results. I was surprised at the quantity of calories i had to put in but as eating is a favourite past time of mine i tuned in my diet got in to a routine a stacked on a good amount of size and strength. With it just being after christmas i'm carrying a few extra festive pounds but i know that all things will work themself out over the next few weeks!
P.S Great article and i fully agree with the squat chat... less than parallel, not good enough!

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vince
Posted Mon, 01/09/2012 - 12:22

Bill, Where is the " Training Primer" to read? I can't seem to locate it.

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martin
Posted Mon, 01/16/2012 - 15:33

Hi, Bill, where can I find the Training Primer to read? some of the information I have read is very intesting this type of information is what we really need. thanks and hope to heard from you.

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john
Posted Fri, 01/20/2012 - 22:21

I want to start this workout, while doing the Spartacus workout on my off days as cardio. Do you think that is too much? I am not a beginner, I just stopped playing basketball and have gotten out of shape. (Belly/loss of muscle)

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Billy
Posted Mon, 02/06/2012 - 10:29

Hi, i've been doing this workout for a long time a year or 2 ago but i havent been training for around 1 year now and i want to start again.

1 thing i realised is there is no shoulder presses in this workout its either incline bench press or shoulder press. is there anyway to add shoulder press in also without substituting the incline press?

i feel it is incomplete if i am not directly training my shoulders also because this is a main part of strength just like incline/flat bench n deads etc.

incline bench press does my upper chest and my shoulders are very weak compared to my bench press and rows and deads. and if i substitute my incline bench press for shoulder press then i will have a weak upper chest and it will not be proportional to my lower chest.

what do you think?
thanks!

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James
Posted Fri, 02/17/2012 - 16:45

Awesome workout! I've been using it for 11 weeks and it's just what I needed. I look forward to doing it at night, which hasn't happened for awhile, because I can see the results. I've increase all of my lifts since starting and have had to revamp the numbers twice. My only set-back is a strained pec which has kept me off the bench for about 6 weeks now. Not sure when I'll be back benching but I still love this workout.

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Felix
Posted Tue, 04/10/2012 - 02:00

I'm looking to start this program next week, with my goal to push my 1RMs to 1000lb (currently around 840). I made good progress with Steve's 5 day power muscle burn split, and have spent the last two months mixing training up and trying new exercises and lifts; it's time to hit a structured program again. Two questions - I use a pushbike for daily transport, with the emphasis here on the squats will I be overdoing it on the legs? Secondly, I'm happy with the core methods of this program but am keen to add more assistance work (chest flyes on Monday, shoulder flyes and leg press on Wednesday), again, counter productive or will a little more work round things out?
Great site folks, I've gained a wealth of knowledge and perspectives here which has helped heaps!

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