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    Default Morning meal = No Carbs for faster weight loss?

    Hi everyone,

    I'm a new member and have never taken up body building as seriously as am now and thats all thanks to the great community I found on this site.
    Thank you all so much for your kind advice and motivation!

    I'm 30 years old, my first goal is to cut the fat in my body to at least 7% and then start building muscle, I have just started the Labrada training program from the Bodybuilding.com site (bodybuilding "dot" com/fun/lee-labrada-12-week-lean-body-trainer-intro.html) although my diet is being based on this: (muscleandstrength "dot" com/articles/how-to-create-a-bodybuilding-diet.html) because it's what it made more sense to me so far (at least is quite technical and I apreciate that).

    I've read somewere that its a good idea to remove carbs from your first meal to encourage your body to use the stored fat for energy!
    Could you please confirm this?

    Also, please let know if I'm following the wrong program for my goals!

    PS- sorry about having to break the links with "dot", but I can't post links due to being a new member and thought it woul be good to include them!
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    Not sure where you heard that from...

    Researchers have found a possible way to overcome the common problem of dieters eventually abandoning their diet and regaining the weight they lost. Eat a big breakfast packed with carbohydrates ("carbs") and protein, then follow a low-carb, low-calorie diet the rest of the day, the authors of a new study recommend.
    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0617142920.htm
    Last edited by BukAndrew; 04-20-2012 at 09:46 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BukAndrew View Post
    Not sure where you heard that from...
    Not sure from were I've got it, it all gets tricky when there's so much information lying around!

    Thanks for the advice, so would you recomend to carry on with this plan: (muscleandstrength "dot" com/articles/how-to-create-a-bodybuilding-diet.html) ?

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    Personally I dislike that site. If I were you I'd do some reading around here and ask questions when you have some.

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    I want to thank the guy who posted this and then deleted it for som reason:
    sciencedaily com/releases/2008/06/080617142920.htm

    Good article!

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    here you go:

    http://www.leangains.com/2010/10/top...-debunked.html


    7. Myth: Skipping breakfast is bad and will make you fat.


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    Breakfast skipping is associated with higher body weights in the population. The explanation is similar to that of lower meal frequencies and higher body weights. Breakfast skippers have dysregulated eating habits and show a higher disregard for health. People who skip breakfast are also more likely to be dieting, thus by default they are also likely to be heavier than non-dieters. Keep in mind that most people who resort to breakfast skipping are not the type that sit around and read about nutrition. They are like most people dieting in a haphazard manner. The type to go on a 800 calorie-crash diet and then rebound, gaining all the weight (and then some) back.

    Sometimes, an argument is made for eating breakfast as we are more insulin sensitive in the morning. This is true; you are always more insulin sensitive after an overnight fast. Or rather, you are always the most insulin sensitive during the first meal of the day. Insulin sensitivity is increased after glycogen depletion. If you haven't eaten in 8-10 hours, liver glycogen is modestly depleted. This is what increases insulin sensitivity - not some magical time period during the morning hours. Same thing with weight training. Insulin sensitivity is increased as long as muscle glycogen stores aren't full. It doesn't disappear if you omit carbs after your workout.

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    First of all, we have the large scale epidemiological studies showing an association with breakfast skipping and higher body weights in the population. One researcher from that study, commenting on the association with breakfast skipping or food choices for breakfast, said:

    "These groups appear to represent people 'on the run,' eating only candy or soda, or grabbing a glass of milk or a piece of cheese. Their higher BMI would appear to
    support the notion that 'dysregulated' eating patterns are associated with obesity, instead of or in addition to total energy intake per se."

    Kellogg's and clueless RDs love to cite them over and over again, so people are lead to believe that breakfast has unique metabolic and health-related benefits. In reality, these studies just show breakfast eaters maintain better dietary habits overall.

    Other studies frequently cited claiming that breakfast is beneficial for insulin sensitivity are all marred with methodological flaws and largely uncontrolled in design.

    In one widely cited study, subjects were entrusted to eat most meals in free-living conditions. The breakfast skipping group ate more and gained weight, which affected health parameters negatively.

    From the abstract: "Reported energy intake was significantly lower in the EB period (P=0.001), and resting energy expenditure did not differ significantly between the 2 periods." EB = eating breakfast. In essence, people who ate breakfast could control their energy intake better for the rest of the day. They didn't gain any weight but the breakfast skipping group did. Fat gain always affects insulin sensitivity and other health parameters negatively. Thus what people took this to mean is that breakfast is healthy and improves insulin sensitivity. Which isn't at all what the study showed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LayzieBone085 View Post
    here you go:

    leangains com/2010/10/top-ten-fasting-myths-debunked.html
    Thanks, thats a really nice article!
    I'm now fully convinced that mornings are time, and am making my morning meal as big as my other 2 big meals!
    Last edited by MindDoctor; 04-22-2012 at 03:52 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MindDoctor View Post
    Thanks, thats a really nice article!
    I'm now fully convinced that mornings are time, and am making my morning meal as big as my other 2 big meals!
    Mind, I don't know how you got that, when the info on that site points to the OPPOSITE. That site recommends NOT eating in the morning, lol. You may want to go and read it again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vin1968 View Post
    Mind, I don't know how you got that, when the info on that site points to the OPPOSITE. That site recommends NOT eating in the morning, lol. You may want to go and read it again.
    Dhooo, lol, really?
    I was really tired when I've read that and some terms were apparently missunderstood!

    I'll have a better read tomorow, thanks a lot.

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    Hi dude... Meals at morning.... Never..... Kindly take oats or fruit salad or fresh juices kinda foods... This is really works well.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by asathya View Post
    Hi dude... Meals at morning.... Never..... Kindly take oats or fruit salad or fresh juices kinda foods... This is really works well.....
    Thanks man!

    I've tried having a meal in the morning and the results were really bad, even though I've had 70gr of carbs(winch is a lot for me) and waited 2:30hrs, still I had no energy to train and I ended up feeling like crap all day.

    I now settled with only oats and 15/30min after that, I have a pre workout shake and start my workout, within the 8 min after training I have a post workout shake with banana and low fat yogurth, 40min to an hour after I have a low fat meal, and it works fine for me.

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    With regards to losing fat, meal frequency and timing is much less important than what you eat overall. I would suggest working out your maintenence calorie amount and dropping it by approx 10-15% when cutting.

    Aim for 1g-1.5g / lb of lean bodyweight in protein, 0.5g per lb of lean bodyweight in fat and the rest made up of carbs, protein or fat - depending on preference.

    How and when you eat is all down to preference, some people prefer 6 meals a day, personally i find it easier and convenient doing internittent fasting. The key is to keep a track of what you are eating over a day/week period.

 

 

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