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    Default Carbs at night...bad bad bad

    Wow I feel so taken advantage of for believing this myth for so long. The first guy that opened my eyes to this bologna was the "spike diet" guy. His diet recommends that you fast off your carbs until about 5-6pm, coupled with a work out, and then eat your carbs up until about an hour before bed.

    His philosophy was that we need to restore glycogen (brain sugar) and other nutrients at night the most and is when carbs are needed the most! (Totally agree with this btw) The following day's work out and activity is mainly fueled from the previous night's carb intake, not morning or day or whatever.

    Also another argument that I agree with as well is when you look at our ancestors way of eating and living. They would likely wake up early and get ready to stalk their prey not eating a whole lot, they would use a lot of energy in hunting animals (work out) probably just grazing on lights things to keep them going like nuts, berries, jerky. Once they killed the animal and brought the meat back, typically closer to the evening, they would share, gorge out, and fuel up for the next coming days.

    I suppose these guys burned insane amounts of calories in their daily lives so its not totally realistic in comparing to us but I think this pattern still works best with us.

    Now to personal experience:

    I've been experimenting with this guys theory and lone and behold.....i've been dropping weight on the scale, feeling less hungry throughout the day, have more energy in my work out, getting better pumps even, all from fasting off most of my carbs earlier than 4-6pm and then eating them after until bed time. The thing that boggled my mind the most was that I was less hungry than usual but dropping weight at the same time, that right there really opened my eyes. Im not going to keep this up for too long because I do wanna put on weight but it was strictly just for experimentation. I also think given this information that the spike diet could be a good diet to do, just a gut feeling.

    Im amazed again about how error'd the diet/fitness community is about certain things and how information spreads without any true evidence or relevant experience attached to it. Im gonna spread the word on this one because im ****ed
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    read it wrong nvm

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    Yeah that carbs at night bull**** has been around for a very long time and has never made any sense. You'll lose weight if you eat carbs at 3 am or at 3 pm or at 9 pm. It just doesn't matter.

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    I never had a problem with carbs at night, but i do cut back as the day goes on. Dinner is a low carb meal and before bed i drink some low fat milk. Never had a problem losing weight or cutting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5kgLifter View Post
    read it wrong nvm
    I missed your false comments/readings lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by aronsjits View Post
    I never had a problem with carbs at night, but i do cut back as the day goes on. Dinner is a low carb meal and before bed i drink some low fat milk. Never had a problem losing weight or cutting.
    Yea i've lost weight too that method but do you wake up starving/hungry? Thats what happened to me usually. If you are, I think your body is needing more carbs at night to restore and replenish. Might wanna just experiment and try for yourself, next cut that is
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    Quote Originally Posted by GreekStrong View Post
    I missed your false comments/readings lol
    Basically, I read the second statement incorrectly and was asking you why you were going to put on weight if you came off the plan since you were losing weight now; but, what you actually said was that was the reason that you were only doing it short term because you wanted to put on weight not because you would due to the plan.

    That may sound a little complex but ignore it anyway, 'cos I read it wrong which is why I deleted the comment; I thought you'd contradicted yourself but you hadn't There's nothing quite like misreading a post

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5kgLifter View Post
    Basically, I read the second statement incorrectly and was asking you why you were going to put on weight if you came off the plan since you were losing weight now; but, what you actually said was that was the reason that you were only doing it short term because you wanted to put on weight not because you would due to the plan.

    That may sound a little complex but ignore it anyway, 'cos I read it wrong which is why I deleted the comment; I thought you'd contradicted yourself but you hadn't There's nothing quite like misreading a post
    yea it was just for experimentation. I read from this guy that it makes you lose weight rather than gain so I guess I had it in mind and it was true for me. Everything stayed relatively the same with work outs, diet, etc but changed up when I took in my carbs....which was in the evening, and fasted off them in the day.

    ya the written language can be confusing sorry

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    meal/nutrient timing/frequency is largely irrelevant in terms of body composition

    cals in vs cals out

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    Quote Originally Posted by dday39 View Post
    meal/nutrient timing/frequency is largely irrelevant in terms of body composition

    cals in vs cals out
    I credit this true but just saying "my" experience

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    Quote Originally Posted by dday39 View Post
    meal/nutrient timing/frequency is largely irrelevant in terms of body composition

    cals in vs cals out
    I would tend to agree.. BUT don't you think protein timing is important?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seven92 View Post
    I would tend to agree.. BUT don't you think protein timing is important?
    I think people over obsess about this as well but sure it plays a factor to some degree. Will it kill you if you dont get protein in immediately right after a work out? I don't think so. Protein synthesis is not an instant chemical reaction and most likely the proteins that you received from your pre w/o meal and before are actually the ones doing most of the building at that time. Amino's and such would be a quicker process and I guess makes more sense as far as timing goes but extracting and breaking down of nutrients in regular food and whey does take a little bit of time.

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    I think it has a lot to do with body type and a lot of other things. For example for the past year I've been recomping and came to a halt last month. I took a week off and reworked my diet. Now I'm eating carbs at night and suddenly I'm gaining weight and losing fat again even though my calories stayed the same. Weird right? Well no, my body wasn't used to having carbs at night, a change leaves your body wondering wtf is going on and allows you to make further progress, just like with training. Its a shock to the system. Once progression stops again ill probably go back to no carbs at night and start making progress again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrismazur814 View Post
    I think it has a lot to do with body type and a lot of other things. For example for the past year I've been recomping and came to a halt last month. I took a week off and reworked my diet. Now I'm eating carbs at night and suddenly I'm gaining weight and losing fat again even though my calories stayed the same. Weird right? Well no, my body wasn't used to having carbs at night, a change leaves your body wondering wtf is going on and allows you to make further progress, just like with training. Its a shock to the system. Once progression stops again ill probably go back to no carbs at night and start making progress again.
    I agree, you should always experiment and see how things work out for you. My guess is that your body was actually needing those carbs all along while you were in a sleep and recovery state and in a sense saying, "aww thank you, now i can grow." and the reduction of fat could be due to your body feeling "safe" that it has ample energy to burn for the coming day, otherwise it feels neglected resulting in storing more fat for energy kinda like being in survival mode. Replenishing closer to bed time fills up glycogen storages which is then used and turned into energy instead of your body relying on its fat sources for energy

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    interesting read. I've actually wondered about how our last meal of the day affects our body the next day. And where relevant, the days following to the meal. I've attempted carbs and no carbs at night, and sadly my body doesnt respond to any lol
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    if your within your calorie range for weight less, eating clean, and staying off carbs in the day, I would suppose you would drop weight

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    it really does not matter if you eat carbs at night. however i´d rather taper my carb intake around my workout but still have carbs in every meal, exept my last one. but that´s not because i´m afraid of carbs at night but simply because i´m sleeping better without fibre in my stomach.

    but as the guys said it´s calories in vs calories out. so if you don´t eat too many calories it really does not matter when you´re eating your carbs.

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    There seems to be a misconception with carbs, it's only simple carbs that should be avoided, complex carbs are very important from my understanding.

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    Read some of these..
    Carbs are fine granted you meet your daily quota in the day/week:

    Here is about backloading and eating more carbs at night "Biorythm Diet"
    http://translate.google.com/translat...g-muskelmasse/

    More information:

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21475137
    "Greater weight loss and hormonal changes after 6 months diet with carbohydrates eaten mostly at dinner."

    http://www.alanaragonblog.com/2010/0...gma-dies-hard/
    Alan Aragon's Blog


    More:
    http://abundantbrain.com/2010/08/exp...cy-and-timing/

    http://www.wannabebig.com/diet-and-n...ttent-fasting/

    Another:

    http://www.leangains.com/2010/10/top...-debunked.html
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    thanks for those articles bob, i guess there is proven evidence of this weight loss technique and that carb timing does play a part in our body's chemistry. thanks again!

 

 

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