Shopping Cart
Home » Muscle and Strength Forum

Welcome to the Muscle and Strength Forums!

This forum is the best place on the web to get advice about natural bodybuilding and fitness! Muscle and Strength is a huge site dedicated to building muscle, stripping fat and building the physique you want! Here you can interact with other people who share your passion for bodybuilding, fitness and looking good.

While you can browse the forums without registering, to really get the most out of what we have on offer you should register. It takes a couple of minutes and you get full access to everything!

Muscle and Strength Forum Members Can:

  • Get excellent free advice on training, supplements and diet & nutrition.
  • Free member gallery to upload their progress pictures, favorite bodybuilders and more.
  • Enter monthly competitions to win supplements, fitness gear and more!
  • Setup their own training log.
  • Send private messages, setup a member profile etc.
  • Get the motivation to keep training and reach their goals

All of this is absolutely free, all you need to do is register!

Become a Muscle and Strength member now for free - register here


Go Back   Muscle & Strength Forum > Muscle Building & Fitness > Muscle Building For Teens

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 09-24-2007, 10:01 PM   #11 (permalink)
Regular Poster
 
GrassoNY187's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Pennsylvania
Gender: Male
Training Exp: 1-2 Years
Current Goal: Build Muscle
Posts: 261
Rep Power: 3 GrassoNY187 is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Doug View Post
Hi, at 138 lbs I would suggest a 3 day a week routine, very short sessions concentrating on the multi joint compound exercises like presses etc and limiting isolation exercises like pec dec

Have a look at This Article for advice for your bodytype...
Wow. thanks so musch for all of your help. I will switch routines after I finish out this week. It will be odd having an extra rest day though, but it sounds nice to work less and gain more.

Should I keep my cals up high even though I will be doing a little bit less work?

What is the main difference between training for strength and mass? I really want to make sure I am focusing on gaining mass.

Thanks again!
GrassoNY187 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-24-2007, 10:04 PM   #12 (permalink)
Moderator and Advisor
 
Doug's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: UK
Gender: Male
Training Exp: 20+ Years
Current Goal: Build Muscle
Posts: 15,362
Rep Power: 111 Doug Level 14Doug Level 14Doug Level 14Doug Level 14Doug Level 14Doug Level 14Doug Level 14Doug Level 14Doug Level 14Doug Level 14Doug Level 14
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by GrassoNY187 View Post
Wow. thanks so musch for all of your help. I will switch routines after I finish out this week. It will be odd having an extra rest day though, but it sounds nice to work less and gain more.

Should I keep my cals up high even though I will be doing a little bit less work?

What is the main difference between training for strength and mass? I really want to make sure I am focusing on gaining mass.

Thanks again!
Re calculate the calories with the reduced training. both strength and muscle mass trainining is different
__________________
Doug

Not Joined The Forum Yet?? CLICK HERE TO REGISTER.

* My Articles and Workouts Page - Click Here

* My fitness Centre Site - Gemini Fitness Centre

* My Nutrition & Diet site - Coming Soon

"You can't out-train a lousy diet"
Doug is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-26-2007, 04:44 PM   #13 (permalink)
Regular Poster
 
GrassoNY187's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Pennsylvania
Gender: Male
Training Exp: 1-2 Years
Current Goal: Build Muscle
Posts: 261
Rep Power: 3 GrassoNY187 is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Doug View Post
Re calculate the calories with the reduced training. both strength and muscle mass trainining is different
ok thanks. Can you give me an example of the difference? Like, is mass training like high wieghts low reps, or what? Can you explain the difference?

Thanks
GrassoNY187 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-26-2007, 07:13 PM   #14 (permalink)
Moderator and Advisor
 
Doug's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: UK
Gender: Male
Training Exp: 20+ Years
Current Goal: Build Muscle
Posts: 15,362
Rep Power: 111 Doug Level 14Doug Level 14Doug Level 14Doug Level 14Doug Level 14Doug Level 14Doug Level 14Doug Level 14Doug Level 14Doug Level 14Doug Level 14
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by GrassoNY187 View Post
ok thanks. Can you give me an example of the difference? Like, is mass training like high wieghts low reps, or what? Can you explain the difference?

Thanks
Strength training uses rep range of 1-6 reps, with 3-5 mins rest between sets.

Mass training is rep ranges of 6-12 reps with 60-90 sec's between sets
__________________
Doug

Not Joined The Forum Yet?? CLICK HERE TO REGISTER.

* My Articles and Workouts Page - Click Here

* My fitness Centre Site - Gemini Fitness Centre

* My Nutrition & Diet site - Coming Soon

"You can't out-train a lousy diet"
Doug is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-27-2007, 04:46 PM   #15 (permalink)
Regular Poster
 
GrassoNY187's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Pennsylvania
Gender: Male
Training Exp: 1-2 Years
Current Goal: Build Muscle
Posts: 261
Rep Power: 3 GrassoNY187 is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Doug View Post
Strength training uses rep range of 1-6 reps, with 3-5 mins rest between sets.

Mass training is rep ranges of 6-12 reps with 60-90 sec's between sets
ok. thanks for the help.

So, by looking at my program I guees I was doing it wrong. I know you suggest your 4-day split or a 3 day split (and I'm seriously considering the 4 day), but if I cut out a few exercises in my 5-day split, and add more reps, will my 5 day split still be effective? Or do you think I would have better results with a 3 or 4 day split. I would like to stay with my 5 day split, but I dont mind changing.

Also, about how many exercises should I do for each body part?

And I do not go to a gym, so I do not have access to a few exercises on your program (such as the leg-curl exercises, or anything that requires a leg piece). Are there any substitiutes that I can uses? I have a very good smith machine, a BB, a bunch of adjustable DBs, and a lot of weights. Is there anything else I can change throughout the program.

Thanks so much for the help. I am planning on changing my prgoram this week, but i just don't know which workout plan i should do. I might post up the 3 that i'm deciding between in the "Critique my workout" section to see what everyone thinks.
GrassoNY187 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-27-2007, 07:48 PM   #16 (permalink)
Moderator and Advisor
 
Doug's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: UK
Gender: Male
Training Exp: 20+ Years
Current Goal: Build Muscle
Posts: 15,362
Rep Power: 111 Doug Level 14Doug Level 14Doug Level 14Doug Level 14Doug Level 14Doug Level 14Doug Level 14Doug Level 14Doug Level 14Doug Level 14Doug Level 14
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by GrassoNY187 View Post
ok. thanks for the help.

So, by looking at my program I guees I was doing it wrong. I know you suggest your 4-day split or a 3 day split (and I'm seriously considering the 4 day), but if I cut out a few exercises in my 5-day split, and add more reps, will my 5 day split still be effective? Or do you think I would have better results with a 3 or 4 day split. I would like to stay with my 5 day split, but I dont mind changing.

Also, about how many exercises should I do for each body part?

And I do not go to a gym, so I do not have access to a few exercises on your program (such as the leg-curl exercises, or anything that requires a leg piece). Are there any substitiutes that I can uses? I have a very good smith machine, a BB, a bunch of adjustable DBs, and a lot of weights. Is there anything else I can change throughout the program.

Thanks so much for the help. I am planning on changing my prgoram this week, but i just don't know which workout plan i should do. I might post up the 3 that i'm deciding between in the "Critique my workout" section to see what everyone thinks.
You can do straight leg deadlifts for hamstrings.

If you want to stay with a five day split then you can. I always advise not to do more than two workouts in a row without a day off...
__________________
Doug

Not Joined The Forum Yet?? CLICK HERE TO REGISTER.

* My Articles and Workouts Page - Click Here

* My fitness Centre Site - Gemini Fitness Centre

* My Nutrition & Diet site - Coming Soon

"You can't out-train a lousy diet"
Doug is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-27-2007, 09:13 PM   #17 (permalink)
Regular Poster
 
GrassoNY187's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Pennsylvania
Gender: Male
Training Exp: 1-2 Years
Current Goal: Build Muscle
Posts: 261
Rep Power: 3 GrassoNY187 is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Doug View Post
If you want to stay with a five day split then you can. I always advise not to do more than two workouts in a row without a day off...
Ok thanks. I am still debating whether I should do a 3, 4, or 5 day split. The 3 day seems good but maybe not enough, the 4 day seems good too, but I am wondering if I will see improvements by switching what i was doing in the 5 day program. I have been continuing my prgram, except making it shorter and training for mass instead of strength. I just wonder if it will help w/ the gains, or if i should go for the 3 day split.
GrassoNY187 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-09-2008, 08:07 PM   #18 (permalink)
Just joined M&S
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: new york
Gender: Male
Training Exp: 6-12 Months
Current Goal: More Strength
Posts: 16
Rep Power: 0 craziphil21 is on a distinguished road
Default

how do you move the day after you workout with all those excercises? <---- spelled wrong.
craziphil21 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-10-2008, 10:47 AM   #19 (permalink)
M&S Elite Member
 
5kgLifter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Scotland
Gender: Female
Training Exp: 5-10 Years
Current Goal: Get Fit
Posts: 1,405
Rep Power: 14 5kgLifter is just really nice5kgLifter is just really nice5kgLifter is just really nice5kgLifter is just really nice5kgLifter is just really nice5kgLifter is just really nice
Send a message via Yahoo to 5kgLifter
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by craziphil21 View Post
how do you move the day after you workout with all those excercises? <---- spelled wrong.
Like Robocop
__________________
The Great White Workout...it's a killer!
5kgLifter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-10-2008, 11:19 AM   #20 (permalink)
Frequent Poster
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: SC
Gender: Male
Training Exp: 10-20 Years
Current Goal: Get Huge
Posts: 531
Rep Power: 15 EKnight is a splendid one to beholdEKnight is a splendid one to beholdEKnight is a splendid one to beholdEKnight is a splendid one to beholdEKnight is a splendid one to beholdEKnight is a splendid one to beholdEKnight is a splendid one to beholdEKnight is a splendid one to beholdEKnight is a splendid one to behold
Default

Good one 5k! Grasso- what Doug is trying to impress upon you is that (and this is especially true for you) MORE IS NOT BETTER. There are tons of guys at my gym who train two hours a day five or more days a week and can not figure out why they aren't progressing. A three or four day split is sufficient as it will allow you four or three days, respectively, to recover and grow, grow, grow. With only two days off per week, growth is harder for most people. Rep + to Doug for patiently explaining and posting links in this post. Nicely done. -EK
__________________
Don't argue- I've been sautéed in right sauce. 3X
EKnight is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 04:13 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.1.0