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10-03-2008, 02:55 PM
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Shoulder Press
On the exercise video on this web site for shoulder barbell press, it says to lower the barbell until it touches your upper chest (or collar bone i guess). a trainer at my gym said that it wasn't really necessary to go that low, and that lowering it only until my arms made 90 degree angles was all i needed to do. (kinda like this  ) will going lower be better or is it ok just to do it the way the trainer said it?
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10-03-2008, 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by d3v1aNt
On the exercise video on this web site for shoulder barbell press, it says to lower the barbell until it touches your upper chest (or collar bone i guess). a trainer at my gym said that it wasn't really necessary to go that low, and that lowering it only until my arms made 90 degree angles was all i needed to do. (kinda like this ) will going lower be better or is it ok just to do it the way the trainer said it? |
Do yourself a favor and get a new trainer!!
Performing the exercise in the fashion recommended by your trainer will greatly reduce the effectiveness of the lift. This is another common gym mistake that I often observe. Guys put on more weight than they can actually handle, and lower the bar only to about 4-6 inches above there head. IMO they are wasting there time.This is not effective for building muscle and strength.
In order to build muscle and strength, this just like any other compound exercise, must be performed using the full range of motion. Failing to do so when shoulder bb pressing would be like only going a quarter of the way to your chest when bench pressing, or only lowering yourself a few inches down when squating and so on and so forth. Yeah you can lift a little more this way, but it's really just jerking off! |
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10-03-2008, 04:01 PM
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LOL, I've had trainers give me bad advice as well. You'd think with so much trainer and certification they'd be able to help and not hinder.
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10-03-2008, 04:05 PM
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Do yourself a favor and get a new trainer!!
Performing the exercise in the fashion recommended by your trainer will greatly reduce the effectiveness of the lift. This is another common gym mistake that I often observe. Guys put on more weight than they can actually handle, and lower the bar only to about 4-6 inches above there head. IMO they are wasting there time.This is not effective for building muscle and strength.
In order to build muscle and strength, this just like any other compound exercise, must be performed using the full range of motion. Failing to do so when shoulder bb pressing would be like only going a quarter of the way to your chest when bench pressing, or only lowering yourself a few inches down when squating and so on and so forth. Yeah you can lift a little more this way, but it's really just jerking off!
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thx. that probably explains why i was able to do 115 lbs for 6 reps last year  .
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10-03-2008, 04:31 PM
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Going "Full Range Of Motion" for Shoulder Press is fine, as long as you are using a weight you can handle and don't already have shoudler issues.
Also, 99% of the time, guys don't do any EXTERNAL ROTATOR movements, and that is when Shoulder Impingement and rotator cuff problems happen. So always warm up your shoulders by doing some External Rotator exercises.j
Did your trainer mention that? 
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10-03-2008, 05:47 PM
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^^^agreed. Always warm up the shoulders!!! Well, actually that goes for any muscle group....
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10-03-2008, 05:56 PM
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LOL, I've had trainers give me bad advice as well. You'd think with so much trainer and certification they'd be able to help and not hinder.
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Yeah, I think we have all been in the same boat. My experience is to approach someone in the gym who actually performs the exercises in flawless fashion for themselves. Not necessarily the biggest guy, but the one whose technique is best. Yes it may well be a trainer, but if not don't be afraid to ask.
I'd pretty much be sure that anyone who has taken the time and effort to perfect his lifts would be more than happy to help others, that guy knows the pitfalls and what he is doing and probably in his mind wonders what the hell half the gym is up too. I've had a lot of good advice from such people, and have never been given the short shrift in my time training.
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10-04-2008, 11:33 AM
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Often when starting out it may be done in that fashion or partial ROM. It would be beneficial however to go lower to stretch fully the deltoids to get a better muscular contraction. I am certain that there are many trainers and that they tweak the exercises based on personal and your exercise tolerance. So running off to get a new trainer may not be the best course. Just ask him why or tell him you would like to try to stretch your deltoids when lifting and ask if he could spot you as you lower the bar towards your shoulders. Since you are paying for his time I do not think he could say no. But if he does then ask why not? Please report back- I would like to know why not.
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10-05-2008, 10:33 AM
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ok thx for the replies. i'll get back to you about what he says
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